chris
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| posted on 12-6-2005 at 11:21 |
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kite ban
just hadd a chat with a neighbour this morning who is on the council. there is talk of a kite ban on ynyslas beach.
to be honest as someone who uses the beach on a daily basis i actualy think this may be a good idea! yet again people who should know
better are bugging on the beach in marginal winds next to the car park, at high tide. i think these people rely on the use of this
beach to make some of their living.
i'm in favour of a ban because at least in the summer i can stroll around walking the dog in peace. so maybe its up to certain groups
of people who rely on the beach to sort this out?
i know many people will be opposed to the ban and the wonderful vibe amongst the kite surfers will be lost. but i feel the beach should
be returned to the holiday makers in the summer.
maybe we should all start wind surfing(thought you might like that Al).
chris
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carlessd
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gutted i just hope they can differenciate between land kiting and kitesurfing. would the ban also include dyfi? or just ynslas?
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willf
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oh
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willf
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well it was inevitable i guess.
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andy B
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bad news Chris, as someone who uses the beach most weekends i will be so disapointed. As a( kiteing unit) of( sensible kiters)we
could perhaps have a meeting to discuss the issues of beach use for everyone. maybe a designated area could be an option. come on guys
lets at least try to sort this out.
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col123
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| posted on 12-6-2005 at 19:23 |
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who were they chris name and shame and perhaps we can have a friendly chat!!!!!
do you mean the estuary car park or the borth bit by the golf course carpark..
To Infirmary and beyond..
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justanna
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I tend to agree with Chris I'm afriad. Kitesurfing is fine when those doing it are responsible and think of the other beach users.
Unfortunately, especially during the summer when the beach is at it's busiest, you get a few stupid people who think they own the place
and will ruin it for everyone. As a new mum I have to think twice before taking my baby for a walk on the beach if the kites are
out....it's not worht the risk of him being ploughed down by a buggier or a kite landing on him by someone who doesn't know what they
are doing.
It would be nice to see some restrictions at least, eg ban it during the summer months or at certain times of the day, even keep it
within a certain part of the beach if it could be policed!
Sorry guys, I'm with the locals on this one! 
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chris
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col, it will be easy for you to have a word because they are your employers!
they should have been out tonite. low tide and wind.
anna, i agree going to the beach now makes me cringe knowing that i kite but just trying to walk along the beach is a pain.
will keep you all up dated.
Will at least tiree is o.k, for now.
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mNeil
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| posted on 13-6-2005 at 09:53 |
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oh dear, is there a chance of us working together with the council and making specific launch/ land areas for us to use well away from
most of the holiday makers.
A KITE IS FOR LIFE!! THAT IS IF ITS A YARGA.
founder of storm'n Normans van club!
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bucski
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| posted on 13-6-2005 at 11:40 |
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this could be disastrous!
Could we also not make the council aware of the benefits it brings to the community? We must spend some money whilst we are there, if
only on car parking fees.
Are there any other benefits we bring??
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leonardo
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This sux big time..why is it that some of us really try our best to practice kiting safely and then a bunch of rude wankers come along
and mess things up??
I agree with Neil, can we not agree with the council a designated area for kitesurfing past the WW2 bunker? The council need to be made
aware of the difference betw kitesurfing and land kiting..i think someone like Shem/Al or Chris should be a single contact for the
council..
Hope this all sorts itself out..
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justanna
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| posted on 13-6-2005 at 12:08 |
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I know it's not fair guys and you lot are the sensible ones. If there was some way that kiters and other beach users would know where
to expect the kites then that would be a start. trouble is with the people who come to kite not very often and don't know the
'rules'......If they could ban the kite buggiers it would be a good start. Once the kites are on the water there's no trouble and to
be honest I'd rather have the kiters than the jet skiers and horse buggies any day.
Hope a reasonable solution can be reached for everyone's sake.
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col123
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| posted on 13-6-2005 at 13:53 |
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apparantly there powerkiteshop lot were there but there was also a lot of people in powerkiteshop t'shirts, which were given away with
an offer some time ago..
There gutted if its them, and will work with whoever to resolve the issue
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chris
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there is not one person to blame. i was pointing out what i saw were people from the powerkite shop trying to kite at high tide in a nw
wind. not hte greatest advert. the beach was empty but one family did turn up and then decide to walk the other way having to climb
over the groynes!!
all the people who kite on the beach are last onthe "pecking order" for beach use. there are many people who spend there anual holiday
here and have done so for many years. now its like trying to relax with kids and dogs as if you are on a race track. think about it
would you mind if kids were racing around the park on BMX's where your children play or were you where relaxing in the sun??? at the
very least read the tide times and turn up in the morning or evening.
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Pluto
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| posted on 13-6-2005 at 21:39 |
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Mmmm. Time for a Club anyone?
We all new it was a possiblity.... Chris and Anna have a very valid point, but there are sites a lot worse off. It just needs
organising and policing. How's that to be done?
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bucski
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perhaps if the club thing got off the ground we could do some sort of membership card thingy whereby members agree on launching landing
areas etc... and that there are signs up saying that only members of this club are allowed to kite with this authority - or is that
what a club would mean anyway?
Who would be willing to represent us to the council?
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justal
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| posted on 14-6-2005 at 06:44 |
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From what I've heard from council members, they aren't opposed to kitesurfers or kite-users of any description, but they do want
something done so that they can still safely use the beach when it is busy.
As Chris said at the weekend there were people out buggying and taking up the whole beach at high tide when there was only a few yards
of sand available... This obviously isn't acceptable as it means no one else can use the beach to walk their dogs, play with their kids
etc.... Under such situations even an area restriction wouldn't work as it would still prevent people walking along the whole length of
the beach.... Unless of course the area restriction only permitted kiting along a certain stretch of beach AND only seaward of the tips
of the longest groynes.... Basically... No kites within 25 metres of the pebble bank and only within a certain stretch of beach North
of the bunker. At least then other people, dogs etc could have a free run all along the top of the beach.
As Chris says, kiters are the new kids on the block and therefore at the bottom of the pecking order... In order to earn the respect of
other beach-users and be allowed to continue using it all kiters (with NO EXCEPTIONS) need to be completely over the top with their
respect for other beach users.
Buy some tide-timetables... Only go to the beach when the tide is out (and even better not during the middle of the day when the beach
is at its busiest), stay to the North of the bunker and don't 'take-over' the beach.
Al.
P.S. Apparently erecting signs of any description is not an option.
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MarkyP
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If putting up signs is not an option then the "local" kiters must be extra vigalent and cooperative in making people aware of safe or
suggested areas to kite.
I totally agree that the public should come first and a beach should not be like a race track. Just look at Pendine. However, with no
signage or notification it's going to be very hard to stop people just turning up and boarding / buggying where they like!
Perhaps a seasonal ban would be the answer April through September or something similar? I guess this wouldn't help the local dog
walkers etc. though?
I think the time is to act now, BEFORE this becomes a really major problem.
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shem
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| posted on 14-6-2005 at 13:45 |
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I definetly think its best to put your own restrictions up, before a ban ( possibly year round even), happens.
Why cant signs be put up Al? Even simple signs like, "No kiting" next to the last big groyne, then a sign at the top end of the beach
with "Kite area". At least its some thing for people to work around that way, rather than a free for all, where no body quite knows
whats happening.
I was on the beach at Aberdyfi this weekend, and a lot of new land kiters and water kiters turned up. Im really pleased to say that
every single one of them asked me where and when to kite. All being well, well have our signs up on the beach here by the end of the
week.
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col123
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| posted on 14-6-2005 at 14:37 |
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dont forget not everyone reads this forum, its possibly only 10 of us who regulary use this site for the kite side of things...
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