just had a brainwave, why go all the way over to the east coast when its northerly and abergele just off the a55 on the north wales coast is only one and a half hour away from birmingham. also the tides are very high due to full moon.
think i might just go there instead of the east coast.
take the abergele turn off on the a55 go through the town and head for the train station; over the bridge on the railway and turn right behind the station parking on the beach pebbles; oh no have to walk 10 mtres to the sea!!!! toilets are 20 mtre from station.

what time does the tide work up their neil?, goin out tonight need to know how drunk i can get. early start or not?. either way i'l be there 1h 30mins gotta be the right choice for me. is there any sand to come in on?

Is Abergele a good spot then? I live 10 miles away and haven't heard of its use before - would be good for me. I know kites are popular at LLandudno west shore.

high tide on the north wales coast looks like being about 11.00 ish . loads of sand when the tide goes out, its only down from rhyl dont forget. will prabably set off about 7 ish ,no rush as its close. see you there

Sounds good guys, hopefully be there, depends on beer consumption tonight!!!